[Vhfcn-l] Same As Alaska Air

Tue Mar 19 08:59:18 EDT 2019

When working as an A&P mechanic in the '70s I would remove every inspection panel on an aircraft that I was pulling a 100 hour or annual inspection on, and look inside.  If it moved it got lubed, if it didn't move I made sure it was properly tight and secure.  On a lot of airplanes, I broke paint when I pulled the panel.  Some of the customers did not like having their paint disturbed!  When working part time for a FBO in Southern California, we did a 100 hour on a Cessna 401 as part of the deal for a new buyer.  After we were through, the buyer thanked us for doing a thorough inspection. As the dealer was paying for it he had expected us to pencil-whip it.  Not if my number was going in that log book!!!I always gave the horizontal and vertical stabilizers a hard shake.  One day Carl Wiser asked me why I did that.  I told him that one day I would find one that was loose, then grabbed the vertical stabilizer on a Cessna 182 and shook it.  I was rewarded with about 4" side to side movement and two loud "clunks".  The bolt holes had wallowed out and radial cracks had started to develop.  That aircraft flew pipeline patrol at low altitude and was always in turbulence.  All of which just goes to show that you can't be too careful.
Don Jackson

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From: Arnold B Christensen via Vhfcn-l <vhfcn-l at vhfcn.org>
To: Donald Jackson <Tiger129ts at aol.com>
Cc: vhfcn-l-vhfcn.org <vhfcn-l at vhfcn.org>
Sent: Mon, Mar 18, 2019 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [Vhfcn-l] Same As Alaska Air

I would also bet that the plane owner was 
complicet in the deal when he found out the it 
would cost a pile of money and material to fix it 
correctly, if there was a proper fix for the 
problem originally found. The dude got what he 
got.  While working at Bell Helicopter I  was a 
DMIR which is a Designated Manufactoring 
Inspection Representative for the FAA. Had to go 
to annual FAA training and it was always 
interesting to hear the stories from others about 
OOP's that were found. The stuff that can go on 
at night inside a closed up hangar or
or barn door.
Da Foot

At 04:39 PM 3/17/2019, you wrote:
>I don't have any experience with large 
>commercial aircraft, but I have some with 
>smaller 4 -6 place aircraft.Â  Records are one 
>thing, like ArnoldÂ  says can come back and bite 
>somebody in the backside.Â  I used to work for 
>the FAA FSDO in Anchorage a little over 20 years 
>ago.Â  While there doing a routine inspection of 
>a Cessna 185, we checked the records of an 
>aircraft that showed the right front doorpost 
>had been "repaired" some 10 years prior. Since 
>this is a structural member, we decided to pull 
>the upholstery from around it, and look at the 
>repair.Â  We found that somebody had welded the 
>1/8" thick formed 6061 aluminum back together 
>after being broken in an accident.Â  That is not 
>permitted because it softens the material by 
>removing the toughness done in heat treating the 
>aluminum.Â  The A&P Mechanic, who also had an 
>FAA Inspection Authorization (about the same as 
>Senior TI in the Army) that did the repair and 
>signed it off ended up losing his A&P License, 
>his AI designation, and was facing a $40,000 
>civil penalty the last I heard of the case.
>
>John Hart
>
>On 3/17/2019 12:47 PM, Arnold B Christensen via Vhfcn-l wrote:
>
>>Remember this as he flew it to their 
>>deaths...but there was nothing at all the 
>>pilots could have done.Â  The stories behind 
>>these crashes just piss me of to no end. 
>>Imposter Wife and I will never fly in anyones 
>>aircraft ever again.Â  The jack screw is a 
>>lousy mechanical set up at best.Â  Requires 
>>lubrication and it is hidden and should be a 
>>mandatory Quality Inspection point while it is 
>>being performed. Why ? Because it takes time 
>>and the airlines...depending on who is running 
>>the maintenance show do not have time. At least 
>>that would be the damned excuse they would use. 
>>So someone...always Quality Guys or Gals need 
>>to watch it be done because at least in my mind 
>>having been on of the first Chief Tech 
>>Inspectors and Quality Supervisors at Bell 
>>Helicopter for 30 yrs combined are the only 
>>guys who do not give a crap about how long it 
>>takes you to do your job or your bosses 
>>schedule and will keep you on the ground until 
>>it is done correctly. And if you are flying 
>>foreign airlines there is a whole nuther 
>>problem with time and schedule.Â  At Bell I got 
>>the chance to look at Bell Dynamic components 
>>sent in for repair or overhaul from foreign 
>>Commercial and Military Aircraft.Â  They were 
>>sent in for specific work to be done. Several 
>>times those components were sent back from 
>>whence the came from because they were not safe 
>>to fly and had not been so for many hours of 
>>operation. Received in Unserviceable Condition 
>>Red Tag with my name on it. I have looked at 
>>unserviceable transmissions that had been 
>>written off as such which came into the shop 
>>accompanied by not only a FAA guy to watch the 
>>teardown but also an FBI Agent.Â  Why...cause 
>>some unscrupulous SOB had made up new records 
>>and somebody decided to check the records on 
>>the thing before using it. Bell keeps the total 
>>record of serialized major components in a very 
>>large warehouse. Those Hueys you guys flew 
>>around in ages ago the names and stamps of 
>>every one that assembled them are in old files. 
>>In the field someone can create new records to 
>>hide things but if caught because the originals 
>>are still on file where they cannot get ahold 
>>of them they can go to jail. Don't trust 
>>anything that somehow has a schedule applied to it!
>>Da Foot
>>
>>
>>At 04:20 AM 3/16/2019, Roger W. Ek via Vhfcn-l wrote:
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgkmJ1U2M_Q
>>>
>>>An Alaska Air Had this happen more than a 
>>>decade ago, so being a former military pilot, 
>>>he rolled the aircraft inverted and flew that way.
>>>
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWmLZ_C-rM8
>>>
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